I’m curious about how other pastors and churches are dealing with this issue.
Because of the way we “do” church, and the atmosphere of acceptance at our church, we normally have many guests in our chairs each Sunday. I have discovered that there are often times guests who are living together outside the bond of marriage. I am thankful that they are seeking the Lord. And I am thrilled that they feel welcome at our church.
But I am beginning to deal more and more with this issue of cohabitation with regard to membership in the church. As I counsel these couples who desire to unite with the church, I lovingly tell them that the issue of “living together” must be addressed first. My basic approach is this, “How can one commit to be a faithful, covenental person within the ‘Bride of Christ’ if he or she is unwilling to make a covenant relationship with his or her mate?”
I always offer patience, counseling, and love. I always offer to work with the couple to bring them into a biblical marriage relationship. And I always, always make sure they know they are welcome in our worship and the activities and life of the church. Invariably, these couples “agree” with me and acknowledge their need to be married in these private meetings. Often times they refer to themselves as “living in sin,” even though I never use the phrase. But then most never return to our church. I am sort of at my “wit’s end.”
Now, don’t get me wrong … I believe with all my heart that I am absolutely right in the stand that I take. I hold membership in very high regard. Membership in our church is sacrificial and covenantal. We have many more “attenders” than we have actual members.
But is there a better way to get this message across? Or are so many of these couples simply seeking a “Christian” endorsement of their behavior and relationship, then become offended when one is not offered?
May 29, 2007 at 4:12 pm
I tell ‘em after I counsel them for salvation:
“OK we’ve (you God and me the counsellor) fixed up hte most importqaantthjng in your life.. there’s still something that needs fixing up.”
They say, “Yeah we know”
“OK can I help you fix this up next.. Do you wanna set a date?”
Bold works for me.
Steve
May 29, 2007 at 5:27 pm
For me, too.
Of course, I should have clarified my post. I do not let the lack of a marriage hold me back in any way from sharing the Gospel. Interestingly, the majority of the “couples” that I deal with have church history, previous church memberships, and a claim to know Christ as Lord. I don’t quite know what to make of it.
May 29, 2007 at 8:36 pm
Brother Geoff,
Great post and also interesting situation. Do you realize that you are dealing with the same things we all deal with? The difference with you and me, is they are already members of the church. I deal with it as it comes up, but most of the time I do not know about it until after they begin coming back to church. They have been absent members, and they are returning to church after a number of months and sometimes years.
The one thing that has helped me is that I point to homosexuality. I explain that if we would not admit a homosexual that was actively involved in a relationship, how could we keep someone on the church rolls that refused to stop living outside of marriage?
Of course I am not very popular with some families.
Blessings,
Tim
May 29, 2007 at 8:50 pm
Geoff,
I’ve had exactly the same problem. Brother, if you find a solution, we’ll all be grateful!
May 29, 2007 at 10:29 pm
Tim,
Been there, too…
Bart,
I guess we’re all in the same boat. I was just hoping you highly educated fellas would have some fresh answers!
May 29, 2007 at 10:33 pm
My wife and I give an annual chat to the youth groups (she takes the gals, I take the blokes) on sexuality and Christian living.
I hammer Prov 5 and 6 for awhile with the young blokes (no holds barred.. the talk is close to an hour long and every embarrassing situation is aired…), while my wife tells the gals not trust the fellas.
Its an annual thing and goes over quite well. The kids (12yrs-24) look forward to it almost as much as their parents.
I think in this sex saturated society you’ve just got to keep teaaching on it so that biblical morality becomes normative.
Steve
May 30, 2007 at 6:29 am
A most excellent word, Steve … you spooky fundamentalist…
May 30, 2007 at 9:10 pm
I have dealt with this both Biblically and statistically. Boldly they are in violation of the seventh commandment if sex is involved (and let’s get real – 99.99% of these relationships are sexual in nature). We are called to flee sexual lusts and immorality. It is tough to honor Christ and live outside of his divine plan.
Roughly speaking: 7-8 out of 10 of all cohabitants will not marry – the average cohabitant couple lasts on average 3 years. Of those that get married (2-3 out of 10) 80% of these will be divorced in three years. Less than 2-5% of all cohabitants who marry will last beyond 15 years together.
I find the same problem that you do. Even after some tough love given as graceful as one can give, I rarely see this folks again. I think it has to do with pride and shame – pride in that “everybody else is doing this – and what is so big about a piece of paper anyway” and “what does God really think?”
Unfortanatly we live in an age of cheap grace, where there is always someone down the block who will accept them and bring them into the fold without so much as a blink. What a shame that is!
Chin up brother! You are doing the right and righteous thing. One of these people will one day be convicted of heart, and will come to tell you about it. Then you will be blessed beyond measure because you took a stand that glorifies God.
Rob
May 30, 2007 at 9:11 pm
geoff,
stop by and visit my new blog some time. my address is…. fromthehillsandhollers.blogspot.com
you are welcome anytime, my friend.
david
May 30, 2007 at 9:47 pm
Rob,
Thanks for the encouragement. I guess my experiences are not as unique as I sometimes feel they are.
David,
Already been there … and added you to my blogroll!
May 30, 2007 at 10:04 pm
I don’t disagree with what you are doing. I think it is important that the church has “members” rather than “numbers”, i.e., quality over quantity.
Good on ya for taking the stand.
God bless.
May 31, 2007 at 6:54 am
Thanks, Victor.
May 31, 2007 at 8:27 am
geoff,
thanks. how do i add people to my blog roll? seriously, i dont know how to do it. i told yall i was a southern hillbilly. this computer thang is all new to me.
david
May 31, 2007 at 8:28 am
It would have been MUCh easier if you had gotten a WordPress blog.
I really don’t know about blogger … I think you have to go into the HTML codes and stuff.
August 26, 2007 at 9:09 am
Geoff,
I’m a bit late coming to this discussion, but wanted to thank you for sharing your thoughts and concerns. This is a topic I feel many pastors don’t discuss often enough and sometimes hope the problem will go away.
I’m a pastor of a Presbyterian Church in Scotland and had an uncomfortable meeting this morning with a lady of two children who is co-habiting with her partner. She was coming to ask if I would baptise her child. After explaining that only children of church members could be baptised and what the criteria for membership was, the discussion got heated. I could see she was dissapointed. I encounter this a lot and go through the same turmoil every time. I explain that the church is open for anyone to attend, but that more is expected of church members. And of course few ever come back again.
Unfortunately, the situation is not helped here by many congregations having no criteria for membership at all.
From a fellow pastor, just trying to be true to God’s word.
August 26, 2007 at 2:34 pm
francis,
it’s hard to take Godly stands, but stay true to the Word, bro. believe me when i tell you that what is happening to you also happens here in the usa….more now than ever. we have more and more people shacking up, and you cant let them join the church in that situation.
hang in there, bro.
david
August 26, 2007 at 6:26 pm
Francis,
It’s never too late to join in.
I am so pleased to have a brother in Christ from Scotland visiting my blog. I do hope that you will come back and visit often. You are very welcome here.
Like you, I think that this is an issue that we will be dealing with more and more.
But there are those of us who will continue to take a stand and lift high the “bar” and banner of church membership. I commend you on your stand for holiness in the church.
Like David said, we must all remain true to the Word of God.
Geoff
February 11, 2008 at 8:38 pm
what do you do when you are in a 15 years relationship and the other person do not want to get married. I know that I am living in sin and he refuse to acknowledge it. I have finally realize that after all the excuse and promises of marriage from him. He will never be true to his word. Now I feel stuck and lost because of the years that I have put in this relationship. I am one foot out the door and everytime I get ready to leave he convince me how hard it is out there to live along financially. I want out of this relationship badly. I am in bondage by this man mentally. He refused to to believe in his mind that this is wrong. Please pray me out of this situation. I need a devine intervention.
April 28, 2008 at 3:22 pm
Burclaf…………..you have God’s word.
That is your divine intervention. You are living in sin and you have no choice but to marry or leave according to God’s Word. You walk out……no one can pray you out.
June 4, 2008 at 5:12 pm
What do you do when a member of your church say he needs to resign his membership because he is living with someone and feels he would rather do this than disgrace the church. This person is 19 years old and was Baptise when he was 14. Our church says he cant do that, they will have to exclude him. Our commity met with him 3 months ago(ei. Uncle, Grandfather, & now Pastor). They keep asking the church to give him more time maybe he will leave this person. Our church will meet on this in one week and I know first hand they are still living together.Oh yea, my husband and I were the ones who supported him with the idea of him giving up the church because he wasnt going to change and also he felt he was pressured into joining.Any suggestions. God Bless, Rebecca
August 19, 2008 at 5:49 pm
This situation is all too common both in society and in the church. I take comfort in these words in Heb 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge.
What I have found is that the church is rarely really built by our efforts, plans, or dreams. It is on the revealed truth of who God is that He builds his church upon. He calls that truth the rock. Until that truth is made plain in the life of the church, its attendees and membership alike, lives will be unshaken by the rules no matter how spiritual they are.
Rules are needed to maintain a since of order and balance in the church. But if rules alone could be an effective tool to build the moral character of the church then this would not be such a prevailing issue. Paul told Timothy that he must be an example to the believer. You would think that a believer would not need an example because we have his word. But we do.
The Bible is filled with dysfunctional individuals and couples, people that believed and trusted God fully in one area of their life yet was shipwrecked in another. God has in the past and will continue to use imperfect people. We as Pastors must preach and teach the whole truth of God’s Word without apology and allow the Holy Spirit to convict the world of sin and move people to a greater relationship to God. Our job is obedience and declaration his job is conviction.
God has declared that we would judge angels yet he has taking personal responsibility for judging those overtaking in sexual sin. Note He won’t ignore it He will judge it. Paul said that if we judge ourselves, we won’t be judged.
Just a thought
Kevin B.